The conversation on productivity needs to evolve

by May 19, 2021Podcast

Dominic Price

Dominic Price, Work Futurist, Atlassian

Atlassian’s resident Work Futurist, Dominic Price, recently gave a fascinating interview involving Megan Aponte-Payne and Isabelle Franklin — two of IPAA ACT’s Future Leaders Committee Members — for the WORK WITH PURPOSE podcast.

Presenteeism, productivity, and working from home

Dominic gave a blunt appraisal of how presenteeism, productivity, and working from home was playing out in the workplace.

‘The reality is — and it’s a sad reality — is that certainly in many ranks in many organisations, the narrative I’m hearing right now is, “We need to get people back”.

And not, for any other reason, let’s be honest, than lack of trust. Right?

Dominic felt that the distinction between styles of work should actually be more front of mind.

‘There are knowledge workers across the world, over a billion knowledge workers.

In Australia a large percentage of the workforce is in that knowledge worker space, and that’s people who are using their brains, they don’t physically need to be at a desk to perform a task.

And there is also a huge amount of our population and workforce in Australia that aren’t knowledge workers.

Right? They’re practical workers… there’s some physical aspect of their role, and they do need to be in a certain environment to perform that role.’

Dominic sought to challenge the current thinking around presenteeism:

‘For me presenteeism is something that, if we call it what it is — which is a lack of trust — it’s been apparent in the workforce for a long time.

It’s been due an overhaul for knowledge workers but we’ve struggled with it because, mainly, because of things like productivity.

Right? This idea, and we have to remind ourselves — a lot of people forget — productivity is a measure of output over time.

Quite conveniently in the last year, people have missed the time bit…

And so the conversation needs to evolve to going “Well, productivity’s probably the wrong measure for knowledge workers”.

So it’s around effectiveness. It’s around impacts. It’s, “What are the outcomes we are trying to achieve?”.’

Dominic drew on an analogy from a recent conversation he’d had with an author:

‘He explained it’s like, “It’s not how many words I write. It’s how good the book is.”

Right? And it’s obvious.

But you look at most organisations, and the thing they’re measuring is productivity, is “how many words did you write?”.

And you’re like, “But what if the words were crap?”.

And they’re like, “It doesn’t matter. Write more words. What can I do to help you write more words?”.

And I think we need to evolve that conversation.

Again, it’s been due an overhaul for a while, but we need to really put the pressure on there.’

Megan Aponte-Payne

Megan Aponte-Payne
IPAA ACT Future Leaders Committee Member

Pushing organisational boundaries

Another area Dominic spoke about was pushing organisational boundaries.

A useful resource for those wanting to do just that is the Atlassian Team Playbook that he helped write some years ago.

‘It’s online. It’s free. You don’t have to pay for it. You don’t need a credit card or anything.

And it’s got a whole lot of like, exercises you can do with your team… how you can reflect on a project and drive improvement, how you can reprioritise the team. All these really simple like, workshopy exercises… pick one of those and just do it.

Right? I’ve given you the template — there’s a website there with all the instructions, there’s a video guide.

And so just find the thing that you can go and try. Even if it doesn’t work, you’ll learn something.

You’ll learn something about yourself. About your colleagues. About your organisation.’

Isabelle Franklin

Isabelle Franklin
IPAA ACT Future Leaders Committee Member

Other areas touched on during the interview were the importance of staying positive and building resilience, the pros and cons of the new workforce and the new workplace, the skills that the corporate sector developed in 2020, and why now is the right time to reprioritise your life.

IPAA ACT Future Leaders Committee member, Isabelle Franklin, tied off the interview by thanking Dominic for his time, saying it was absolutely fantastic to hear his thoughts on workplace issues.

‘I’ve really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on how we move away from tokenistic conversations about diversity and inclusion into creating real motivation and a real push for positive change in this space.’

WORK WITH PURPOSE is produced in partnership between contentgroup and IPAA ACT, with the support of the Australian Public Service Commission.

The podcast can be accessed from the link below and is also available on Spotify, SoundCloud and iTunes.

Work with Purpose
PODCAST

Episode #37: A Positive Outlook — Dominic Price in conversation with IPAA's Future Leaders